TALES FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY 3

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 03:55:28 EST

From: Rehotshots@xxxxxxxxxxx

To: photo-3d@calcite.rocky.edu

Subject: P3D Re: I haven't a clue!

The tip about the moon was just something I felt compelled to pass on.  I received it from a friend.  Took it at face value.  Thought Bill might know something about it.

I don't have a clue what you guys are talking about most of the  time,  It took me a half semester to figure out what they were even talking about in trig class, (and here I am trying to think in 3D), but I hung in there figurin' that it would be an easier class when I retook it the following semester.  Think I ended up getting a B in the class. So, I'll hang.

I'm so happy to find myself in an environment in which I can exercise the english language without feeling that I am intimidating someone.   I'll try not to slaugher it.  Remember Norm Crosby? Wasn't it Norm?  Whatever happened to him?

I deliver pizza for a living and if I ever said "tenacious" in reference to anything,  I have the feeling that most of the people I work with would never speak to me at all.   But you might be surprised at some of us who deliver for a living.  We have a really great poet on board and a high school psychologist who actually remembered the anniversary of the Jonesboro

massacre and one lady reads all the time; several aspiring musicians who are teaching me to appreciate rap music and a gourmet who is teaching me to cook greens and a lot more.    It's just that, for some strange reason, we don't like using big words in conversation and I think that is kind of sad, because I just love the English language.   One of the kids came home one day, (my stepdaughter), thinking she could get by with using curse words.  I told her that she was not allowed to curse because she was developing her vocabulary and that if she started cursing she would never have a vocabulary.

I didn't understand the databank idea.  I couldn't pull up any of the articles.  Explain? Is there a glossary that comes with all these technical terms?  I'll have to check the info packet Dr. T  sent me.  Maybe it's in there.

This may or may not apply to Larry Berlin, but I have observed that most artists don't like being bound by rules.  But I have read that we can break the rules more effectively if we know and  understand the rules first.  Don't know whether I agree with that.  I just like to experiment, myself.  Try aiming your flash parallel to your subject instead of directly on it, or

bounced, for example.  Right now I can't put my finger exactly on the difference it makes, but I discovered it by accident one day and it does make a very pleasing difference.  Wasn't it Rembrandt,  though, who said learn as much as you can and forget everything you know?  Fuller, of geodesic dome fame, invented his own geometry, they say.  Wonder how much he knew about geometry to begin with?

Which brings to mind another subject.  Sometimes I just like to daydream.  I really think they should make one hour of daydreaming a required course in school.  Of course there's study hall, but every time I ever tried daydreaming in study hall some dedicated staff member would scold me for it and tell me to find something to do, as if I were not doing something productive.  Probably due to the Biblical reference that an idle mind is the devil's workshop.  How can one be expected  to be creative if their mind is always busy and never still or allowed to wander?

Yesterday I was daydreaming and invisioned  a  3d puzzle of the earth.  Today, finishing up my Christmas shopping, I saw one in the science store at the mall.  That was a great confirmation for me.  I love to see my ideas shared by others.  I get really excited by seeing someone else's  photographs being so similar to mine that I could have taken them myself.  To me that does not indicate a lack of creativity, but a state of oneness of spirit.  Seems like I read somewhere that the light bulb was invented in 2 different parts of the world at the same time, neither inventor aware of the other.

I heard a story once about Ford hiring an efficiency expert for his automobil factories. After looking around the place his first  recommendation was to fire this one particular guy he described as doing nothing but putting his feet up on his desk and staring at the ceiling. Ford told him, "I can't fire him; he has made me a very wealthy man!"

I have invented something that I haven't exactly seen.  I call it photomobil.  I have tried marketing it myself and I just don't have the knowledge or capital to do it, so I'm seriously thinking about just giving it to the world.  I was living in an efficiency apartment  at the time and wanted to put my photos up, but loving the spacious feeling bare walls create I set out to come up with another way of displaying them. Puposefully daydreaming, I came up with the idea of photomobil- a spinoff of Alexander Calder's mobile.  My mobile features picture frames, each displaying 2 photos.  Funny thing about that.  About 2 months later I was at the doctor's office and picked up a Highlights magazine and there was a page in there showing how to hang pictures from a mobil-not frames, but pictures.  I delivered to an elementary school about 3 years later where the kids had built these mobiles, but instead of making a picture on both sides of the paper, so that when gravity and wind made them rotate you saw 2 pictures, they had only hung one picture .

Oneness!  We are all one people!  We are one spirit!  Isn't that wonderful?

Definitely worth celebrating. I still think Milton Bradley would be more effective at putting out Fuller's World Game than anyone else.  I guess that's why I' m willing to give up ownership of my own modest invention.  First of all, I know other's could market it more successfully and besides,  I can't wait to see what people are going to do with it creatively.  I'd like to

see it develop and change.  Look how many ways we have already  used Calder's idea.  I don't really need the money and my only child tested in the top 10% of the nation, so he, I'm sure will be able to make it on his own.

I loved your art, Larry Berlin, and am sure you will one day be very well known!  I don't think that I will be able to fully appreciate it until I get ahold of some glasses, which I am working on doing.  I saw the pictures of the sun, Bill, but,  again, I am not sure that I saw them in 3D because I have no glasses.

Has anyone heard from JVapor7?  He wasn't feeling well, the last I heard from him. J if you are out there, I hope you are well.  Just wanted to tell you that I bought myself an Etta James cd today.

I would like to try to build a website displaying the  diffent  types of photography-digital, conventional, panoramic, stereoscopic and alternative processes.  I would like to invite all photographers to choose their own works to display without any type of judgement process-like best photo of the day, etc. Is anyone aware of this being done anywhere currently?  Does anyone have any thoughts on whether this would work?

Bye everyone.

-Teri

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:58:10 PST

From: "Xal razutis" <razutis@xxxxxxxx>

To: photo-3d@calcite.rocky.edu

Subject: P3D taking a vacation from all the Teri-babble

Once upon a time there was a discussion about 'art' and 'non-art', by people on this list involved in such practices. A thread amongst many discussions. Diverse opinions from all directions. Argument and ideas.

This discussion was notably punctuated/terminated upon the occasion of

'Teri' (Reshotshots@xxxxxx) lambasting this author for presumed 'insults' against un-named members, rising nobly to the 'defense' of same (digest 3648):

"I consider a person who has so little respect for the individual as to point them out by name and insult them as a very dangerous person.  I don't like to see the human spirit squashed as if it were a roach.  When that happens it is time to exterminate the exterminator." (12/16)

oh, and let's not forget this fatuous and presumptive passage from Teri:

"I refer to this person as This Man for two reasons:

not to further humiliate him in front of those who have no idea of what I am talking about and not to immortalize him with a martyrdom that I feel he does not deserve." (12/16)

Exterminate?  A language of fascism (in my book), which, when ascribed to an adult, might be considered a 'threat'.

"Martyrdom?" What the hell does that mean? Ask Teri.

However, 'Teri' reveals in subsequent posts, filled with questions, then rampant platitudes and praise, that he doesn't really know very much about stereoscopy, delivers pizza, asks endless questions, ruminates about 'George Lucas' and the moon, and in rambling monologues,  and is unwilling to assign any specifics (names) to those 'victims' of such 'insult', except with rampant 'indignation' and accusations, which spill into personal posts to me.

Note:

Discussions on this list quote sources (naming names), either in Agreement or disagreement. These are used as REFERENCES to a discussion.  And furthermore, I had interesting side-bars with individuals in the discussion (with which I disagreed).  No insults, just exchanges.

But to a puerile mind, seeking notoriety, hiding behind anonymity, the task was accomplished. Shut down the discussion, and re-direct it to what I call the 'Teri Show':

(excerpts from Teri-babble:)

"I don't have a clue what you guys are talking about most of the time,  It took me a half semester to figure out what they were even talking about in trig class" (12/20)

"We have a really great poet on board and a high school psychologist who actually remembered the anniversary of the Jonesboro massacre and one lady reads all the time; several aspiring musicians who are teaching me to appreciate rap music and a gourmet who is teaching me to cook greens and a lot more." (12/20)

"Which brings to mind another subject.  Sometimes I just like to daydream."   (12/20)

"George you are magnificent!  Thank you  Thank you  Thank you!!!" (12/20)

ETC. ETC. - and of course, FOR ALL TO READ. And to respond.

As a target of Teri's juvenile denunciations ("This Man") I thought I'd wait and see (after blocking personal attacks delivered by him off-list) what make of individual is this.

Turns out, that Teri is a fan of everyone who will provide information, advice, free glasses, to him.  (Is it a 'he', a 'she', are there many Teris? Who knows.  Anyone can be anyone via e-mail. You don't have to show or identify yourself except by assumed personas.)

And, in response to these tiresome monologues, information flows from Dr. T, to the point of totally dominating previous posts.  (And Dr. T adds: "It was kinda of boring until Teri showed up!") And we have banter – personal this and that, not sent to Teri directly, but for ALL TO READ.

It reminds me of exchanges about 'baby pictures' directed to and fro (for ALL TO READ).  What a fatuous presumption! (Like we need to know about Dan's baby?)

So what is the game here? Adolescent narcissism (getting noticed) which is reinforced by public banter and maybe future sales of products?  Or is this list partially a 'chat room' full of long-term, short-term cliques?

Maybe these types of behaviors are an ongoing thread on this list (platitudes that deliver customers)?

For me it's a place of new information, ideas, opinions, without platitudes and babble becoming a 'pre-requisite'.

In any case, it is time to take my VACATION.  Go for it guys! Maybe a syndicated 'sitcom' is next? At least let's have a url where we can 'feast' our eyes on the outcome of this Teri Show.

And no, I didn't make this up, it's all in P3D now.

See you next year.

Al Razutis

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:28:58 -0700

From: "Dan Shelley" <dshelley@xxxxxxxxxx>

To: <photo-3d@calcite.rocky.edu>

Subject: P3D Re: taking a vacation from all the Teri-babble

To answer this publicly, aside from my personal answer already

sent to Al...

Man, you sure do know how to push buttons...

This list is made up of a large number of good friends who share a specific love for a hobby. Many have been here for years and years. There are different flavors to our hobby, but we all like 3D in general, and like to learn about each others experiments, etc. We also like to learn about each other... Friends do that, believe it or not...

Al, are you ever going to post a positive message to this list?

You just called me in particular, and everyone else in general "Vacuously, smugly, and unconsciously foolish." I am sorry, I missed whatever point you were trying to make while recoiling from the insult.

Dan Shelley

dshelley@dddesign.com

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From: Xal razutis <razutis@xxxxxxx>

To: Multiple recipients of list PHOTO-3D

<photo-3d@calcite.rocky.edu>

Date: Monday, December 20, 1999 10:59 PM

Subject: P3D Re: taking a vacation from all the Teri-babble

>It reminds me of exchanges about 'baby pictures' directed to and fro (for

>ALL TO READ).  What a fatuous presumption! (Like we need to know about Dan's

>baby?)

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